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  1. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    But Tolkien was a believing Christian - and wrote as one. A Christian believes that other faiths - however well meaning and holy those who hold to them - are simply not "as valid" as Christianity. That does not mean that they do not possess elements of the truth, but that the fullness of truth...
  2. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    You also have the rejection of the concept of "chance". Elrond says that the Council hasl met in Rivendel in the nick of time although he did not call them (something else that Jackson changes in the EE of TTT when Denethor declares that "Elrond has called a council. Remember, in the book...
  3. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    Simply put: God may be found in a beautiful sunset or a great storm or a child in his mother's womb or any of the "wonders" of this universe. He does not need to be mentioned by Name nor does direct reference have to be made to Him nor is it necessary to describe any worship that might be...
  4. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    One must not confuse the two! LOTR is certainly not a "Christian" allegory! Indeed, according to Tolkien's own explanation of his myth, the Incarnation - Christ's appearance on earth - is ages away from the setting of his myth. Therefore, although there are "Christ-like" figures in LOTR (and...
  5. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    I don't think either one was directly influenced by the other. Certainly Tolkien's faith and works predated Lewis' efforts. However, we certainly can and should give thanks to Lewis for without his support and constant positive critiques, Tolkien might well have given up on LOTR. On the...
  6. Mrs. Maggott

    Silmaril as Audiobook

    I have wanted to purchase The Sil as an audiobook in order to listen to it when I am doing boring things (such as just about everything in my life) and at least have some enjoyment while pulling weeds or cleaning the basement. However, when I looked, there seem to be a number of such books out...
  7. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    Not till you made the comparison, at least to my knowledge.
  8. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    Yes, and it is not "accidental" for Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son at God's command is a pale reflection of God's willingness to sacrifice His Son for the redemption of Creation. However, Aule's willingness to destroy what he has created external to Iluvatar (as opposed to Abraham's...
  9. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    If the truth can be considered "a compliment", you're welcome! :p
  10. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    Ah, if only all such "disputes" in this world were carried on with such respect and camradarie there would be no wars and a lot more understanding! Cheers! :p
  11. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    I agree entirely - except in those cases where the author himself has indicated in letters, essays or other instances that these either were his intentions at the beginning or somehow "became" his intentions as the work progressed. As noted in my inclusion from the lecture, Tolkien himself...
  12. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    Absolutely! Tolkien's elemental ideas are understandable no matter what the person's language background. However, in the Shippey book, he mentions some very subtle nuances that Tolkien used (they don't affect the "larger" meaning of the works) that would only be familiar not only to persons...
  13. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    Well, of course, the triumph of "good" over "bad" in its ultimate sense would be the "negation" or removal from the Creation of "bad" and everything that "bad" had damaged. In other words, the evils wrought by Melkor/Satan in the "redeemed" World made new, would not exist! However, all the good...
  14. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    Well, of course, not being Catholic, that's hardly my problem. However, Tolkien also made it quite clear that he crafted his "creation" myth in such a way as not to contradict Catholic "orthodoxy". Furthermore, in the quote I used, he was very definitely referring to the "final glory" in the...
  15. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    In a letter to Amy Ronald of December 15th, 1956, Tolkien says the following: ‘Actually, I am a Christian, and indeed a Roman Catholic, so that I do not expect “history” to be anything but a “long defeat” – though it contains (and in legend may contain more clearly and movingly) some samples...
  16. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    I recently wrote a lecture in Guild of Tolkienology about the Third Age. The following information might be of interest to those on this thread: In a letter to Amy Ronald of December 15th, 1956, Tolkien says the following: ‘Actually, I am a Christian, and indeed a Roman Catholic, so that I...
  17. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    Tolkien uses that term to describe non-Jews who certainly were - and in many cases still are - "pagan". However, his creation mythology is obviously based upon the Bible - a "Jewish" book and therefore cannot be considered "pagan". Before God called Abram, he, too, was "a pagan", but afterward...
  18. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    "...a - pre-christian and hence pagan - mythology..." <quote Walter> The term "pre-christian" is not synonomous with "pagan". Tolkien admitted quite a few times to being very careful in his "creation myth" in the Silmarillion not to create anything that would be contrary to Genesis. Yes, he...
  19. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    The author hardly needs to be biased. Tolkien was an extremely devout Catholic. His essay on fairy stories and his own published opinion on myth and the "true myth" of Christianity was enough to influence C. S. Lewis to become a Christian. That smacks of Christianity to me! He did not put the...
  20. Mrs. Maggott

    Finding God in "The Lord of the rings"

    Biased? The author's particular religious belief means nothing in the context of the book as he not only quotes both those who have found "God, Christianity, theology etc." in LOTR and at least one who has not, but, most importantly, he has quoted the author himself who explained in the quote I...
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