Yes, I did realize there were already threads on this topic, however I didn't feel like reviving an old thread. If I did I feared that, instead of starting all over with a new discussion, they would go back to the old one that had died. Is that ok?Gothmog said:There are a couple of threads in the Forsaken Inn already about this subject. However, some members may have been put off posting in those, so instead of merging them together at this time, I will just give links to them and to another in the archives. Please have a read of them.
Evolution vs. Creation
who believes in evolution
Thoughts about Darwinian evolution
The devil.If there is a creator, there must be a destroyer.
It is for the same reason that I did not merge the threads but only gave links to them. I too am hoping for a new discussion.Aragorn21 said:Yes, I did realize there were already threads on this topic, however I didn't feel like reviving an old thread. If I did I feared that, instead of starting all over with a new discussion, they would go back to the old one that had died. Is that ok?
ok, goodie.Gothmog said:It is for the same reason that I did not merge the threads but only gave links to them. I too am hoping for a new discussion.
Many more like you see what they conclude is evidence for a creator. Others take much of the same "evidence" and conclude just the opposite. Still others (like myself) have concluded that man is incapable of finding out one way or the other, for the same reason that a cat is incapable of reading. I am saying that I absolutely believe that the most brilliant humans who ever lived still fall far short of the ability to apprehend the truth of reality.Aragorn21 said:What's your view? I personally believe that all evidence points to a creator. I, however, do not believe God created the earth and all it contains in six literal 24-hour days.
The response to that is that those are questions which literally can have no answer.Barliman Butterbur said:What was there before there was Anything, and how long was it there?
And that, is why evolution is not a science...it also takes faith. You agree?joxy said:The response to that is that those are questions which literally can have no answer.
That is because Time itself came into existence only with the Big Bang - if there was one! - so there was no "before" or "long".
With respect: what IS time? According to Henrí Bergson, there is a huge difference between time and duration; time being man's arbitrary chopping up of duration into units that he can understand: minutes, seconds, etc. Duration is the "lastingness" of existence, which had to be there along with space and matter.joxy said:...Time itself came into existence only with the Big Bang - if there was one! - so there was no "before" or "long".
You are a believing Christian, which is fine. Just know that other religions have equally legitimate notions about creation and divinity, not to mention what science and the various philosophies have to say about them.Treyar said:I belive that God created the world, not in 24-hour days, but merely in seven time periods. As Spirit said, if there is a creator (yep) then there has to be a destroyer-has anyone here read Revalation? I don;t think that with his current power, the devil could destroy the world as a whole, but if he corrput senoughh people and gets them to do enough stuff, then I suppose that it could be destruction. I think that God's power is holdingt him back as of now and when the time comes, that wall will be let down for the devil to go amongst his own subjects and do with them as he sees fit. Somehow I don;t think that it will be all that nice or fun for them.
Max Planck was one of the fathers of quantum physics.greypilgrim said:Who/what is Planck?
Although mathematics has enabled us to gain much knowledge and theorize deeply, it is still the product of the limited human brain/mind. The only really complex mind we know of is the human mind, which, in my opinion is the product of the human brain, which has evolved to survive on this planet (and we are so proud of it!)....like Barley said, I agree that the human mind cannot comprehend the vastness of time and space. Mathematics help.