If the Valar saw the future, why were they surprised?

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  1. Fëanor_7

    Fëanor_7 Oathbound Noldo

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    After the music of the Ainur, Eru shows them a vision of their creation, and they see 'much of what is to come' (or something similar, can't remember exactly what it says), yet they do not have the foresight to predict fairly major events like Morgoth feigning innocence (though in fairness not all of the Valar are decieved like this) or the slaying of the Trees?
     
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    Ithilethiel Well-Known Member

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    Only Eru Ilúvatar knew all and could see things from end to end
     
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    Fëanor_7 Oathbound Noldo

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    Okay, that's fair enough, but is there any sources out there that tells us what they were able to see, and what, if any, effect that had on the history of Arda?
     
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    Ithilethiel Well-Known Member

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    It's not so simple to explain in one or two passages. I think the only way to understand the concept is to read the first chapter of The Silmarillion, Ainulindalë, the singing of The Great Music, aka the creation story.

    The Ainur were created from the thoughts of Ilúvatar so each Ainu possessed only that understanding of things that came from that specific part of Ilúvatar's mind. Melkor was the first and greatest so he understood more than the others but none understood all. It is only at the end of all things that each will understand how each part is connected.

    Ilúvatar did explain much to the Ainur/Valar but none knew all. For more on this refer to the Valaquenta also from The Silmarillion, Account of the Valar and Maiar According to the Line of the Eldar, [...]Of the Maiar, [...] Of the Valar
     
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    I'm rereading the Silmarillion and thinking about this. The Valar didn't major events and weren't able to predict them based on what they saw? For example that Morgoth pretending to change. The whole history is about Morgoth doing bad things, gut they didn't understand that he is still going to play a role?
     
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    They already wrote history through their themes; love, peace, war, etc. , so nothing could be altered... not by them anyway...
     
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