Hehe, I believe confession is also good for the soulOriginally posted by ithrynluin
No, chicken soup is good for the soul.
Anyway, nice debate everyone!
In response to Ost-in-Edhil'soriginally posted by snaga1Erebor was theirs by right -- they had every justification in seeking to regain it. The defeat of Smaug would remove an evil from Middle Earth, and a threat hanging over many people. If the cause is good, then they deserved any support or assistance that Bilbo is prepared to give them.
originally posted by ArveduiThorin and his company
only cared for their own cause, not of the Free Peoples as a whole.
other points:originally posted by NinielIf Bilbo had not helped the Dwarves by giving them all the help they needed, they would have failed. In which case both their goals and Gandalf's would not have been achieved. Gandalf says repeatedly that it was not chance that Bilbo and the dwarves got together. He also emphasizes that without Bilbo's help the Dwarves will fail.
originally posted by snaga1So it seems that Thorin would still much prefer to tackle Smaug. At the most you can say he thinks ‘burgling' some heirloom might be better than nother, if Smaug cannot be destroyed. And so you are left with a picture of a dispossessed dwarf-lord, who is driven to try to regain the realm of his fore-fathers, and is willing to risk his life and face a mighty dragon, but realizes that this quest may be beyond him.
Congratulations to all the debaters from both guilds!originally posted by NinielI could agree with you if you said that it was not worth helping if the Dwarves had tried to hang themselves, but going on their quest is something quite something else. It might have been something which was very unlikely to succeed, but still the reasons why they did it were legitimate and deserved to be helped by Gandalf and Bilbo. . . After all Gandalf did not see much hope in Frodo's attempt to destroy the Ring, and still he helped them with any means he could.