from Appendix A: The Lord Of The Rings.Concerning the beginning of the Dwarves strange tales are told both by the Eldar and by the Dwarves themselves; But since these things lie far back beyond our days little is said of them here. Durin is the name that the Dwarves used for the eldest of the Severn fathers of their race, and the ancestor of of all the kings of the Longbeards.39 he slept alone, until in the deeps of time and the awakening of that people he came to Azanulbizar, and in the caves above Kheled-zâram in the east of the Misty Mountains he made his dwelling, where afterwards were the Mines of Moria renownd in song.
There he lived so long that he was known far and wide as Durin the Deathless. yet in the end he died before the Elder Days had passed, and his tomb was in Khazad-dûm
No, Thorin and Bilbo went through the High Pass which is closer to Rivendell and is about 200 miles north of Moria.
I am not at all sure, but wasn't Gandalf looking for Thror or Thrain when he said he was in Moria before?
No Walter. I read somewhere in either HoMe or UT that Gollum made his way from his escape from the Elves of Thranduil and was trying to go West to find the Shire for himself. He knew the High Pass would be watched and took the Mines instead. He entered through the East door and was trapped because he didn't know how to open the West door.Originally posted by Walter
Nonetheless I wonder if there was a connection between Moria and the "cave" where Bilbo met Gollum. I mean it was in Moria that Gollum showed up again for the first time, I wonder if it wasn't his old place under the mountains where Gollum had withdrawn after his escape...
Gandalf went to Dol Guldur, where he found Thrain and received the map and key. I haven't found a reference that spells out when Gandalf previously visited Moria, but possibilities are:
Celebdil (Zirakzigil in the dwarf tongue) was a peak in the Misty Mountains, the western-most of a group of three including Caradhras and Fanuidhol. It stood above the Dwarf city of Khazad-dûm (Moria). On the top of Zirakzigil stood Durin's Tower, where Gandalf fought with the Balrog in the Battle of the Peak. The battle caused the destruction of the secret stair that led to it; and as you rightly said, many doubted it still existed. I don't know if there is more written about the stair and tower - but not in the books I've got round to reading! From Gandalf's description, It seemed to be the route from the water to the peak.Erestor Arcamen said:...the stairs of Durin and Durin's tower? Is this tower where Durin made his dwelling?