The Tolkien Forum

Welcome to our forum! Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox! Plus you won't see ads ;)

Round 9: Ost-in-Edhil vs. Tolkienology

Rhiannon

is one hand clapping
Joined
Mar 12, 2003
Messages
1,011
Reaction score
13
Location
Rohan
Welcome to the Round 9: Ost-in-Edhil vs. Tolkienology debate! Will the guilds please post their teams?

Judges:
Scholars - Captain
Periaur - Aule
Outcasts - Rhiannon
Eruhíni - Nevavarein
Neutral - Ithrynluin

*EDITED* with a confirmed judge list
 
Last edited:

Lhunithiliel

Fëanorean
Joined
Jul 26, 2002
Messages
3,138
Reaction score
7
Hail, fair hostess! :)

The team from GoT (so far) is:

Starflower
Eriol
Lhunithiliel

We are expecting a fair and sophisticated debate with our opponents.
********

Just a question before it all starts.
As Black Captain is also a member of GoT, is it OK for him to judge ?
I don't mind that.... but later our opponents might object to this fact and just to avoid any misunderstanding or/and future rows I suggest this question to be cleared.
 

Rhiannon

is one hand clapping
Joined
Mar 12, 2003
Messages
1,011
Reaction score
13
Location
Rohan
As Black Captain is also a member of GoT, is it OK for him to judge ?
I don't mind that.... but later our opponents might object to this fact and just to avoid any misunderstanding or/and future rows I suggest this question to be cleared.
Good point, Lhunithiliel, I hadn't thought that he was in both. If the Guild of Ost-in-Edhil objects, I will try and find a different judge.
 

Mrs. Maggott

Home is where the cat is
Joined
Oct 2, 2002
Messages
3,478
Reaction score
11
Location
Long Island, New York
Forgive me, but this should not even be a question. At no time should a person who belongs to one of the Guilds involved in the debate be chosen as a judge in that debate. This is horribly unfair all round. It's unfair to the other Guild who may secretly harbor the belief that the other Guild's judge cannot be fair no matter how impartial he or she may appear. It is unfair to the judge who will have to bend over backwards to avoid the appearance of favoritism and therefore may actually penalize his own Guild in an effort to be "objective" and it is unfair to that judge's Guild because it may find him far more harsh and "subjective" in his judging simply because he is attempting to avoid any appearance of impropriety!

I would strongly urge that at all times judges should be chosen from Guilds that are not taking part in the debate. It is the only way to avoid all of the above.
 

Gil-Galad

in love
Joined
Apr 5, 2002
Messages
3,179
Reaction score
6
Location
Plovdiv,Bulgaria/Leuven,Belgium
Mrs.Maggott I think you are absolutely right.First of all it is not fair to the one who will judge the debate.He will be in a ery difficult situation and you mentioned what would happen.
I think we found the answer to the question Lhun asked.
 

Rhiannon

is one hand clapping
Joined
Mar 12, 2003
Messages
1,011
Reaction score
13
Location
Rohan
My apologies to the guilds; I wasn't checking. I'll recruit another judge, and in the mean time will Ost-in-Edhil post its team please?
 

Mrs. Maggott

Home is where the cat is
Joined
Oct 2, 2002
Messages
3,478
Reaction score
11
Location
Long Island, New York
Please understand what I have said. I don't think that any person on the forum would cheat, nor do I believe that most of us would think that any person would cheat. I simply believe that we should stop any possible problem at its source and avoid any future recriminations, ill feelings or impossible situations all round. It is onerous enough to function as a judge. To my mind it would be impossible to put any forum member in the position of having to judge a debate in which his or her own Guild is a participant.
 

Rhiannon

is one hand clapping
Joined
Mar 12, 2003
Messages
1,011
Reaction score
13
Location
Rohan
I do understand Mrs. Maggot, and you're absolutely right. I should have checked first. So I apologise to the guilds for the delay in a finalized judge list.
 

Lhunithiliel

Fëanorean
Joined
Jul 26, 2002
Messages
3,138
Reaction score
7
Don't worry, Rhi! :)

Things like this happen. Don't feel guilty for anything! We thank you for showing concern! There is time! You will find another judge, I am sure! The more important issue in all this is the debate itself.
 

Gothmog

Lord of Balrogs
Staff member
Joined
Sep 10, 2001
Messages
1,849
Reaction score
82
Location
Cardiff, United Kingdom
The Team for Ost-in-Edhil is

Arvedui
Chymaera
Ravenna
Gothmog.

As for the problem of Black Captain. We agree with the points raised by Mrs. Maggott as it would be unfair to him. I will say however that there was no objection raised in our guild to him. :)
 

Mrs. Maggott

Home is where the cat is
Joined
Oct 2, 2002
Messages
3,478
Reaction score
11
Location
Long Island, New York
Originally posted by Gothmog
The Team for Ost-in-Edhil is

Arvedui
Chymaera
Ravenna
Gothmog.

As for the problem of Black Captain. We agree with the points raised by Mrs. Maggott as it would be unfair to him. I will say however that there was no objection raised in our guild to him. :)
Which is, of course, because our Guilds (and our forum) are filled with the best of all possible people! :p
 

Rhiannon

is one hand clapping
Joined
Mar 12, 2003
Messages
1,011
Reaction score
13
Location
Rohan
Topic: 'Who proved more detrimental to the good of the other peoples of Middle-Earth: The Noldorin Exiles or the lesser houses of Men?'

The Guild of Tolkienology will post first, if that's acceptable, and the debate will be closed one week after they're first post.

Good luck!
 

Manveru

(former)blue angel of GoT
Joined
Jun 12, 2003
Messages
1,070
Reaction score
0
Location
Edinburgh
According to the schedule posted by Aule, yeah... you're the 'home' team;).
 

Aulë

The Larrikin
Joined
Dec 29, 2002
Messages
2,988
Reaction score
6
Location
Perth, Australia
Yep, you have the first post.
The GoT were first up in previous meeting between you two (Round 4). If you can't remember that far back, because of the Alzeihmers ;), it was when they chose to say that it was ok for Beren and Lúthien to involve other people in their quest.
 

Rhiannon

is one hand clapping
Joined
Mar 12, 2003
Messages
1,011
Reaction score
13
Location
Rohan
Bah, I was looking at the wrong list. Fortunately someone else always knows what's going on ;)
 
Top