Vast Menace of Despair
- Dec 22, 2002
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Decieved? Persuaded rather. He may have had that, but if there was no pity at all to be found in Fangorn then he would have kept him locked up. Saruman's persuasion (in this example) is used to find that pity and bring it to surface. If there was no pity to find, what good does your argument make?Originally posted by Omnipotent_elf
this implys that Sauruman still had at least some power through his intelligence. His power, in a sense, was from his intelligence, and not his physical strength, so to still have the power of mind to decieve such a wise creature as treebeard (if gandalfs word is to be believed) is to indeed have a lot of power left
Additionally, as gandalf alludes, Treebeard was decieved. Thus, he was not in the right position to let Sauraman go. If this argument is based on motivation, then Treebeards "motivation" was influenced by Saruman.
Perhaps so, but what did Saruman do then? Took over the Shire. Now honestly, do you think that the greatest of the Istari (a very elite member of the Maiar) could be considered anything but on a downward spiral when he's reduced to controlling the pipe weed import/export of the Land of Halflings? Persuasion isn't a skill you can loose... it's something that once you know how to do it, it stays with you. As long as he doesnt damage his voice in any way...Saurumans knowledge of the ents allowed him to have the influence he needed to allow his freedom. Treebeard was decieved. Does this sound like the work of a "shadow of a man". I dont think so.
Did Treebeard know a thing about Gollum? Could Treebeard know what it's like to be betrayed? You can't blame him one bit for thinking Saruman was reconciled. Who knows? Maybe Treebeard knew that Saruman couldn't do much damage besides the damage he'd do in his inferior state. Even if he didnt, he was still correct to release Saruman. He can't be entirely dumbfounded and blind to what Saruman still has left.But their ends meant that, despite their oppertunity to redeem themselves, they retract to their normal ways. Gollum also returned to his ways, in his thrist for the ring.