Originally posted by Pontifex
The ghosts were the faithless Men who did not fulfill their oath to Isildur during theee..Battle of the Last Alliance? I can't remember which battle exactly. They were to remain gosts, or trapped in 'limbo' until Isildur's Heir came along and gave them a chance to fulfill their oath and go to rest at last. The Stone of Erech, which was a huge black stone nearby the Path, was a´stone brought by Isildur from the Land of the Star (I think), and it was there (again, I think) that he laid his oath upon the Men of Erech.
I still find these little mysteries that Tolkien left for us very interesting. Does anyone know where this note is that Tolkien wrote this? Was it one of the letters?Vardamir
02-06-2005, 03:21 AM
Was it not Baldor son of Brego?
Indeed, with that name in Google I found this:
King's heir lost on the Paths of the Dead (http://www.tuckborough.net/caves.html#Paths of the Dead). Baldor was the son of King Brego of Rohan (http://www.tuckborough.net/rohan.html) and the grandson of Eorl the Young. He had two younger brothers named Aldor and Eofor.
Brego and Baldor explored the valley of Harrowdale (http://www.tuckborough.net/valleys.html#Harrowdale) seeking a refuge for their people. There they found the Dark Door leading to the Paths of the Dead. It is said that an ancient man was sitting before the door. When Brego and Baldor tried to pass him, the old man said: "The way is shut. It was made by those who are Dead, and the Dead keep it, until the time comes." Baldor replied, "And when will that time be?" but the old man died without answering. (RotK, p. 71)
At the feast dedicating the newly built hall of Meduseld (http://www.tuckborough.net/dwellings.html#Meduseld), Baldor made a rash vow to walk the Paths of the Dead. In 2570, he entered the Dark Door and was never seen alive again. Brego died of grief and Aldor became King of Rohan.On March 8, 3019, Aragorn (http://www.tuckborough.net/aragorn.html) and the Grey Company entered the Paths of the Dead. Deep inside the tunnels, they found Baldor's body in front of a locked door. He was still clad in his gilded hauberk, golden helm, and belt of gold and garnets, but his sword was notched and broken and he appeared to have been clawing at the door when he died. Aragorn said that no one would ever know what had befallen Baldor on the Paths of the Dead or what lay behind the locked door. However, in a later note, Tolkien wrote that the Dead had followed Baldor silently through the Paths of the Dead to the door of an evil temple hall, where they broke his legs and left him to die.
Thank you. That has always made me wonder.
You can find it in Hammond and Scull’s Reader's Companion in the notes for page 787 of LotR. (In my hard copy, that’s page 534; RC references pages of the one-volume LotR as well as each of the separate volumes, and has its own page numbers, too.) The original was published “in a note to The Rivers and Beacon-hills of Gondor”, which was an article in Vinyar Tengwar 42, July 2001, p 22.Does anyone know where this note is that Tolkien wrote this? Was it one of the letters?
Thank you Alcuin! I have so many books to read yet of the Tolkien Universe that I haven't gotten into the Reader's Companion yet.You can find it in Hammond and Scull?s Reader's Companion in the notes for page 787 of LotR. (In my hard copy, that?s page 534; RC references pages of the one-volume LotR as well as each of the separate volumes, and has its own page numbers, too.) The original was published ?in a note to The Rivers and Beacon-hills of Gondor?, which was an article in Vinyar Tengwar 42, July 2001, p 22.
The Rivers and Beacon-hills of Gondor was written by J.R.R. Tolkien. The published version was ?edited by Carl F. Hostetter with additional commentary and materials provided by Christopher Tolkien?. Hostetter is a Tolkien linguist and the editor of Vinyar Tengwar.
Because Reader's Companion is far more accessible to most people than Vinyar Tengwar, I suspect citation is probably best known from that ? oh, and from Tolkien boards like The Tolkien Forum that cite it.