In your post after this one you helpfully give us a transcript of what they all did say. I don't know how you managed to do that,aragil said:....there remains a wide gulf between a fan's interpretation of what he said, and what he actually did say.
Uplifting Moment in books:....This is similar to what happens in the movie....Is there something wrong with the arrival of the Elves in the movie?
I've already pointed out how it "corrects" the error of Rivendell Elves not fighting in the book.
On the length of the battle in the movie: I think people actually enjoy exaggerating when they complain about these movies.
Yes, the book passage is shorter, but much of it is of the sort:....Very easy to write that concisely on paper, rather more difficult to compact it on screen.
And yes, PJ did decide to expand the importance of Helm's Deep- he made it the dramatic centerpiece of the movie. What, precisely, is wrong with that.
as I've tried and never been able to make it all out, so thanks for the effort. To me, there's a key phrase: PJ's "you girls" - I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I say that gives it all away - the script was written by a set of boys and girls, talking as if they were amateurs at the job, not taking it seriously, throwing together ideas as they went along, and making feeble excuses for themselves after the event. I said something similar in a previous thread, and I'm sticking to it all the more now.
The uplifting moment, certainly similar to the book, so why not make it as near as possible the SAME rather than just "similar"?
With so much available in the book, why invent ANYthing radically new? That's why elves are "wrong" in the film. Of course,
I don't accept your idea of an "error" in the book!
Do you mean that people complain about the length of HD in the film, and that in doing so they exaggerate? If some DO complain, then I agree that they do exaggerate, and the statistics you quote in that next post confirm that quite reasonably - the film scenes taking a percentage of time that is twice the percentage of space in the book IS reasonable. I said the film scene is
"long-drawn-out", but I didn't mean it is TOO long, in absolute terms; I was talking about the nature of its content. The short passage that you quote did not need to be "compacted" for the screen, and of course it isn't compacted - it's expanded - quite rightly - and very well! If more of the book scenes were given that sympathetic treatment, if more of Tolkien's "uplifting" incidents had been expanded, the 20 minute total for the battle would have seemed inadequate, rather than long-drawn-out! It's all PJ's padding that makes it drag on.
Or, to summarise that paragraph, if PJ had given us more of T's HD than he did, then there would have been NOTHING wrong with it being the centrepiece - it would have been a great idea and would have worked beautifully.